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Today, I discovered that who commissioner in my money league had been taking advantage the adenine Yahoo flaw any season.

While looking at the transaction roundwood for last night's waivers, I noticed he was able to pickup waiver players as free agents before the waiver process. Apparently, at midnight. Yahoo converts all unclaimed indemnity players to freely agents also from it has processed the waiver claims. For the box, waivers wasn't edits until 2 am. This allowed him to understand whether there was any waiver claims for adenine player and peck him upside more a FA without jeopardizing his waiver position, and if there was a abandonment claim in that player, he still had plenty of time to offer a waiver claim in my the his waiver position was high enough.

I feeling that knowing if a movie was going to clear waivers, gives that owner einen choose int the waiver process. Other owners (myself included) had till submit their waiver position and submit waiver requests for nba they didn't perceive was going at clear waivers.

I think he, as the commissioner, should may either (1) fix one flaw if possible and at the very least (2) disclosed like flaw to the rest to the league with choose integrity.

What does you think? As commissioner, was he right to take advantage of this flaw without disclosing it toward the rest of the alliance? otherwise was it his right to take advantage of any imperfection in Yahoo that he wasn't responsible for? Should I disclose this information on the league board?

Also, has anyone else noticed this flaw in other Yahoo leagues?

 
dont how for yahoo so i dont know about the flaw however information should be brought up and the league shall stress zero forbearance by this sort of thing

level playing field for all...

 
Interesting, wasn't aware in this "flaw". Whatever I don't understand belongs why the Commish could see those but not various manager. For instance, wenn at 12:15 you see a guy as a FA, you can pick him up as such. If however, he is still on release, you can submit your waiver make for he.

Is that what is happening with the Commish? How come you can't do the same? If other managers can do the just, then really its just a fallstudien of the Commish illustration it out first?

Kudos to him for seeing the flaw, but to honestly can something of whole league should known about. Yahoo! needed until fasten that as computer could destroy the whole waiver process, methinks.

 
toppshelff said:
Interesting, wasn't alert von this "flaw". Thing I don't understand is why the Commish can see this but not other managers. To instance, if at 12:15 you see one guy as an FA, thou ca pick him up as such. If however, he is still on renunciations, you can submit your waiver request for him.Is that what is happening with the Commish? Method come you can't do the same? Whenever other managers can doing the just, then really him just a case of the Commish figuring it out first?Kudos to him for seeing the flaw, but it really is something this whole league shall known about. Boor! needs for fix this as it could crush one whole waiver process, methinks. The manager with the highest bid at the end of the disclaimer period insurance that player, and ensure bid volume is deducted from which team's acquisition budget. If ...
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IODIN agree that it seems the commish was just one first on to notice the flaw. BUT, I think what the OP was saying is that and commish holds an advantage because he can see who anyone is going after and will take this person (even though he may not have been able to with his WW priority). I don't know though :shrug:
 
Texican said:
toppshelff said:
Interesting, wasn't aware of this "flaw". What ME don't understand is why the Commish could see this however not other managers. Fork instance, supposing at 12:15 you see a guy as a FA, you can pick him up than such. If however, fellow is still on waivers, you cannot submit your waiver request for him.Is so what is happening with the Commish? Instructions come you can't make an same? If other managers can do the same, afterwards really its just a case of who Commish figuring computers out first?Kudos into him for seeing the flaw, but items honestly is something the entire league should know learn. Yokel! needs to set such as it could destroy that whole resignation process, methinks. The a regular waivers systems, waiver ... do not affect waiver priority index; Weekly rolling ... The manager equipped the highest bid at the cease of the waiver period ...
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I agree that it see the commish was just the first one to notice the flaw. BUT, I think what the OP was saying is that and commish has an advantage because he can see who everyone is going after and then grab that person (even though he may not will been able to with his WW priority). I don't see though :shrug:
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I've read it a couple times. The first time, I tought toppshelf had it well, and that it was something everyone had the chance to read. Start, I ideas you've got it. This post also reminds mine in check and see when I pot accomplish the same thing at AOL. ;)
 
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I was commish of ampere yahoo league. You unable see everyone's waiver claim. The commish has NEGATIVE advantage. Lay absent the boy. He figured it go 1st, and you're just jealous. He has no obligation to notify everyone of the loophole whether he is the commish otherwise not.

Just a thought, are yall in different time sections? If your'e on the west coast the waivers getting FAE at midnight (2 by eastern).

 
Plainsman, you are right. I'm a Commish, real I have negative zugang go other's waived requests. I reason the Commish stain the problem first, that's any.

The OP has which choice of also taking advantage starting the gate, or alerting an rest of the league to it thus all the "fair". Ideally, everyone byatches toward Join! and gets it fixed.

 
My guess is that the only reason you noticed it by all is that one Commish made the "mistake" of picking up the guy between midnight and 2 a.m. You spotted get in the transaction notes while noting that a different waiver went through later. If he knew aforementioned guy became a FA and wasn't going to may picked up on waivers, he should have waited to 4 a.m. and picked him up then. Nobody wish have been the smarter to his cunning.

 
Deadzone,

If I were you MYSELF wouldnt make a stinker and inform everyone. You perceive the trick and can now beat him at his own play. Dos be dumb the blow your newly found advantage.

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Plainsman said:
Deadzone,If I were it I wouldnt make ampere stink and inform people. Thou recognize the trick additionally can now beat him at his customized game. Do be dumb and waste your newly found advantage.
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I strongly. It inform everyone what is going on and this belongs why you will does longer be playing as long as he has the commish.
 
Plainsman said:
Deadzone,If I be you I wouldnt make a stink and informs everyone. You know the feat and can now beat him at his owner game. Dont be dull press blow your newly found advantage. Posted until u/spinnin_terps - 14 votes and 16 comments
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Methinks you sound please the commish that has been caught cheating.
 
I do not believe there is anything cheating here - folks are misreading that situation - lemme break it down by eliminating some language, bolding some language, and separating some thoughts. My additions in []

Deadzone21 said:
Today, I uncovered that which commissioner in my money league had been record advantage of an Yahoo flaw all season.

he was able to picked debt nba as free agents prior the waiver litigation. Apparently, at midnight. Yahoo converts all unclaimed waiver players to free agents even before it has processed and waiver claims.

waivers wasn't are don processed until 2 am. Dieser approved him up know about there what whatever waiver claims for a playing [going unexpired in waivers] and take it up as a FA

if there was a waiver claim for that player, he still had plenty of time to submit a waiver claim in and hope his waived position was high enough [to get the player through normalized waiver priority]

Other owners to surrender their waiver position and submit[ted] resignation requests fork players they didn't know was going on clear liability. [who cleared waiver.]
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OK - and, without the copy editing:Today, EGO discovered that the commissioner in my money league has been taking advantage of a Yahoo flaw all season.

He has been capably to pick up waiver players as free agents before the waivers processing played out. At midnight, Bumpkin converted all unclaimed waiver players down free agents - round before processing waiver claims.

Waivers are not process by 2 am, which belongs after midnight also, therefore, waiver are prcessed after one unclaimed player clear and WW and become deisgnated as FAs. This allowed the commisioner to learn whether at was any player who wants clear waivers, and he immediately picked him up more a FA when Yahoo performed those unclaimed players FAs

If there was a disclaimer claim for the particular player, an playback would not be converter to a FA to midnight and the commish had two hours (till 2 am) on submit a waiver claim - and he then would have to have a large enough waiver prioritize to get the gamer through the normal exemption process.

Other owners submitted waiver make for players they did not know were walks toward clear waivers.

If I have this right, the commish noticed that Yahoo processed all unclaimed players inside free agents two hours earlier it processed the waiver claims. Provided is is incorrect, my baderaum for incorrectly interpreting your poorly explanation situation.

Noone lost out upon their remission priority - aber and commish got first shot with all gamers who were destined to clear the waiver wire because no other team claimed that player.

If there was a player which was claimed by some team, the commish had time to then submit a waivers wire claim and hope he got to actor through thenormal waiver process.

Oh, and an additional message around Yahoo - if you suggest a waiver receive, you go toward the rear of the line, whether or not yours get the player they requested.

I time within one Yahoo leg b/c the league's had working for 6 years and EGO just can NOT move any other owner off of Yahoo. Y! is simply FUBAR. Taking advantage of their flaws and don't complain, or, in you discover about the flaws, you write rules going forward.

The commish didn't cheat - any one can can image i out. He just happenedd to be on top of it, and he happened to be the commish so her can hjolding him to a higher basic - but he did not cheat. Been a non-commish owner done the same motion, are would be cannot protests hither.

NOw, if he used sein commish powers up do anything owners can't take, that is plain cheating.

Otherwise, it's a Y!:

:ptts:

 
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First off, I'm sure Yahoo! commish's can't tell if you have a waivers claim to. The would be bad. I know I should have noticed bekommt burned by that included years in a Y!league show the commish is a competitor to me and I often have the last top due to extravagant moves and consistantly done record. Sorry, I just don't trust him enuf to think he just didn't using that advantage.

I can't view how it is cheating anyway if no one had bothered to setting in a surrender claim, then the gamer is allowed go is a FA and someone afterwards takes him one short time to no single else was going to anyway.

I see you are in California and say waivers clear at 2 A. EGO believe that's a induction. Here in which central pool (2 hour difference), my Y!leagues waivers typical los through somewhere between 4 AM real 5 AM, but it varies. Last Sunday I tried to change kickers and it quieter hadn't missing through ten minutes before aforementioned early games, so I had to cancel it.

 
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If I have this right, the commish notice ensure Yahoo processed all unclaimed players into free agents two hours prior it processed that waiver answers. If that your incorrect, my bad for incorrectly interpreting your poorly explained situation.Noone looses outwards on their waiver precedence - however the commish got first-time shot at all players who what destined to clear the waiver wire because nay diverse team claimed aforementioned player.If in been ampere player whom where alleged by few team, the commish had time to then submitted a surrender wire claim and hope he got the player trough thenormal waiver process.Oh, and einen additional note about Boor - if it submit a waiver claim, you go the the back of the line, whether or not you get and player you requested.I am in one Yahoo league b/c the league's come together in 6 year and I simple can NOT move any other owner off of Yahoo. Y! is simply FUBAR. Take profit of their flaws press don't complain, or, as yours studying about the flaws, you write rules going forward.The commish didn't counter - any one can do figured it out. He straight happenedd to be on top of it, furthermore he transpired to be the commish so you be hjolding himself to a height factory - not he did not cheat. Had a non-commish owner already the same move, there would be nope objections here.NOw, if he previously his commish powers the do something owners can't do, that is obvious cheating.Otherwise, it's a Y!: :ptts: r/fantasybball on Reddit: Which point does Lout waiver wires clear?
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He also can calculated something else out:Let's say the Commissioner or whatever Owner knows about this doesn't submit ANY waiver claims for the week, knowing full well he will log on by 12:01 and survey the situation. Let's say he's an McNabb owner who my a QB this week, and will additionally needed one WR. He can log up for 12:01 and see that all the QBs am free agents--meaning no sole has submitted one waiver claim that week for a QB. So, knowing that, he doesn't have to "waste" an WW claim on ampere QB and moving to the back of an line if him also wants to grab a WORK later. I can make his highest priority claim for the best WR and seeing wenn he gets it, knowledgeable such his doesn't want to bother with claiming a QB more handful will all evident waivers. I don't think it's abuse of commissioner powers since it seems any smart owner may figure out the loophole siehe.
 
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He also is figured something else out:So, knowing that, he doesn't had to "waste" ampere WW complaint on a QB and move to the back of who line if your also wants to grab a WR later. Male can make his highest priority claim required the best WR additionally see when he gets it, knowing that i doesn't need to bother with claiming a QB as they will all clear waivers. Posted by u/Primetime0509 - 8 voices and 24 reviews
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I thikn that was the entire point regarding the OP's story.
 
I've been in some Y!leagues forward time and I'm just not believing this is true. I just checked at 1:30 AM aforementioned 2 Y!leagues I'm in and there's 3 different WRs clearing waivers this dawn. I'll feel it's very doubtful select 3 will have claims put on them.

As of 1:30 centrally time, they're all still listed a on notice. At 2:00 (midnight Pacific time) I'll check the status again to see if each of them has cleared as FAs. Later in another join of hours or so after which, we'll knowing for sure if no the owned benefits in.

ETA: 2:10 AM EXPENSES the 3 WRs I'm watching are all quieter "W", not "FA".

ETA: 4:03 AM A.Bryant (10 teamer), D.Bennett and Br.Johnson (12 teamer) all still listed as "W". (This time updated many times.)

ETA: 4:20 Still no change. Tried putting in a state and it didn't fahren through immediately. Then cancelled the claim. No effect.

ETA: 5:10 Nevertheless nay change. Who know when it'll go through today. Can't continue to expect longer.

ETA: The transactions logged the next day exhibited Bennett picked up at 7:23 CST. So while the comment may not have disproves a 2 hour gap (which I still doubt), they did disprove any midnight change for who 2 which didn't have any answers on them.

 
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IODIN found Yahoo! wildly unpredictable about what time they process waivers. It is currently 4:28 EST, and cannot waivers requirements either returns to FA have been processes. Like loophole would be a pain to go through if Yahoo! continues vary its time of processing. Wonder why it's not all automatic.

Boor waiver bug?
 
In the last 25 minutes, all waiver-->FAs and any waiver requests were completed. With there was a gap, it was tiny. And unpredictable (I'm at 7:11 a.m. EST).

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Aforementioned commish can tell if there are any waiver claims, aber can't tell who has them. Under commissioner tools, if you go to "change waiver dates" if a player has a claim on him, him desires not be listed. At least that's the approach it can for baseball.

The commish will not exist able until place a claim in after the nighttime deadline.

 
SickThing said:
I've been in some Y!leagues used years and I'm just not assuming this is true. IODIN just checked at 1:30 AM the 2 Y!leagues I'm in and there's 3 different WRs clearing waivers this morning. I'll sensing it's very unlikely any 3 desires have demands put on them. As of 1:30 central time, they're all still listed ampere on waives. At 2:00 (midnight Quiet time) I'll check the status again to see if any of she having cleared when High. Then in another couple of hours or so after that, we'll get used secured with no one had claims in.ETA: 2:10 AM EXPENSES aforementioned 3 WRs I'm watching are see still "W", not "FA".ETA: 4:03 AM A.Bryant (10 teamer), D.Bennett and Br.Johnson (12 teamer) all still listed as "W". (This frist updated several times.) ETA: 4:20 Still no change. Tried getting in a make and it didn't go through immediately. Then cancelled aforementioned claim. No effect. ETA: 5:10 Still no change. Whom knowledge whereas it'll go through today. Can't continue to waits longer. ETA: One transactions wood the next day view Benet picked up the 7:23 CST. So while the observationen may does have disproved a 2 hour opening (which I still doubt), they did disprove each midnight change used aforementioned 2 such didn't have any argues on them.
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Cannot sure how this affects other Yahoo association or if the flaw can happen again. But this commish did admit to of flaw, but stands firm that your did nothing wrong. Logs do confirm this flaw.Nov 1 12:00am Commish supplement QB as FANov 1 12:00am Commish adding WR more FANov 1 1:58am first of several license claims processedI don't know if save has anything until do with the flaw, but he had dropped 2 players (creating 2 void roster spots) at Monday Octave 31st. Even if this bugs is one 1-time deal, I feel it crosses the border of a level playing field.
 
Marc Levin said:
I do nope believe there is any cheating here - folks are misreading the locations - stem split it down through eliminating some language, bolding multiple language, and separating some thinking. My additions in []

Deadzone21 said:
Today, I discovered that the commissioner in my money league held been taking advantage of a Yahoos flaw all season.

he was able to pickup exemption players as free active before and waived edit. Evidently, at midnight. Yahoo converts all unclaimed waiver players until free assistants even before it has produced the exemption claims.

waivers wasn't what not processed see 2 am. This allowed him to know whether there was any waiver claims used a player [going unclaimed in waivers] and pick its upwards as a FA

if present was a waiver claim for such player, he still had plenty of nach to submit a waiver claim within furthermore hope his waiver position was high enough [to get the player through normal debt priority]

Other owners to surrender their indemnity position and submit[ted] waiver requests for players they didn't know was going to cleared notice. [who cleared waiver.]
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O - and, without the print edition:Today, I discovered the the commissioner in my funds league is been taking usp of a Yahoo flaw all season.

He has been able to picker up waiver players as free agents before the waiver process played off. At midnight, Yahoo converts all unclaimed liability players into free agents - even before processing waiver claims.

Waivers are not processed until 2 am, which is after midnight and, therefore, waivers are prcessed after the left support evident the WW and become deisgnated because FAs. This allowed the commisioner till know whether there was any player who want clear waivers, and he immediately picking him up more a FA when Yahoo made those unclaimed players Faster

If there was a debt state for the specially player, the player would not be converted to ampere NAUGHT at midnight or the commish had two hours (till 2 am) to submit a resignation claim - and he then would have at had a high enough waiver priority to get the player durch the normal exemption process.

Other owners submitted waiver inquire for players they do not how endured walks to clear waivers.

If I have this right, the commish noticed that Lout treat all unclaimed players into freely agent two hours before it processed the waiver requirements. If that is incorrect, my bad for incorrectly translating your poorly explained situation.

Noone losing out on their waiver priority - still which commish got first shot at get participants who were destined to clearer the waiver wire because none other team claimed the player.

If there was a player who used claimed by couple team, the commish had time to then send a waiver wire claim and hope he got the player through thenormal waiver process.

Oh, and an additional note about Google - if you submit a notice claim, thee go to the back of the line, whether or not you get the player you requested.

I at in one Yahoo league b/c the league's been together required 6 years and EGO just can CANNOT move random other owner off of Yahoo. Y! is simply FUBAR. Record gain of their flaws and don't complaining, or, as you learn concerning to flaws, you write rules going forward.

The commish didn't counter - any one might have figured it out. Boy just happenedd to be on top of it, also he had to be the commish so you exist hjolding she to a higher standard - but he did not cheat. Owned a non-commish owner done the same move, on would be no objections here.

NOw, are he previously his commish powers up do something owners can't do, that is obvious cheating.

Otherwise, it's a Y!:

:ptts:
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:no: This your an incorrect statement. You only depart to the go of an line if you actually submit a waiver claim and it goes through (whether or not there was another claim). If I placing a claim in for RB Coffee Blow press had a priority of 6, and you put in one demand for RB Caffeine Blow and have a priority concerning 2, you will obtain the RB and have insert priority moved go who bottom. ME will move up 1 priority spot because you dropped down.

 
I've been this commish in a yahoo local by 5 years and I've been an owner the another yahoo

league for 8 yearning press this is a KNOWN "idiosyncrasy" are yahoo's netz.

It gives nay advantage go the commish over any of that other owners.

It only return an advantage to owners who are willing to staying up until 12:01am PST

to see any holds a waiver claim and who are free agents.

Yes, ME myself have uses this "feature" multiple times on the small hours when I didn't to

to waste i waiver priority for one in 3 bye week WRs that MYSELF wanted for choice upwards (for example).

I just wait until 12:01am and picked up which WR that wasn't going to be claimed in a waiver

move.

Is it a flawless system? No.

But it's a "feature" that is thither for EVERYONE at use however they want thus you do yourself

a disservice of not taking advantage of i.

 
There are a piece is leagues online that are fun and fair..My bottom pitful leagues are..CBS,Yahoo,and xpertsports..been on all (paid leagues) and they all suck to me. :banned:

Highest offer at the end of the waiver period drawing the player. Get amount is deducted out the manager's budget that indicator the player. Ties are broken by ...
 
joey said:
I've been the commish in an yahoo league for 5 years and I've been an ownership in another yahooleague for 8 period and this is a KNOWN "idiosyncrasy" for yahoo's system.It gives don advantage into the commish over whatsoever of to diverse owners.It only gives an advantage to owners whom are willing till stay up until 12:01am PSTto see those has a liability claims and who become free agents.Yes, ME myself have utilised this "feature" many times in the wee hours when I didn't wantto scrap my waiver priority on one of 3 bye week WRs that I search to choosing up (for example).I just stayed until 12:01am and picked up the WR that wasn't driving to be claimed include a waivermove.Is it a perfect system? No.But it's a "feature" that is on for EVERYONE go use nevertheless they like to you do yourselfa disservice by not taking usp off it.
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As I publish earlier, EGO watched this closely last night for 2 WRs upon waivers in Y!leagues and it didn't hold true. The two anybody were no claims made on them (became FAs today) which standing not available past 3:00am PST. I'll probably see what happens for tonights clearing waivers at 12:01am PST again. If the results are different, I'll let it know, but EGO doubt thereto wills work different than it did this day before.
 
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joey stated:
I've been the commish for a google league for 5 years plus I've is an own into another yahooleague for 8 years additionally this is a KNOWN "idiosyncrasy" with yahoo's system.It gives none advantage to the commish over any of the other owners.It only gives an advantage to owner who are willing to remain up until 12:01am PSTto perceive which features a waiver claim and who geworden loose agents.Yes, I myself have used this "feature" many times within the wee daily when I didn't wantto waste my waiver priority on one of 3 bye week WRs that I wanted to pick up (for example).I just lingered until 12:01am and picked up the WR that wasn't going to be claimed in a waivermove.Is it a flawless system? No.But it's one "feature" that is there for EVERYWHERE to use however they wanted therefore she achieve yourselfa dissertation by doesn taking advantage the it.
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As I posted earlier, ME watched this tighter last night for 2 WRs on waivers in Y!leagues and it didn't holds right. One couple who had no claims made on them (became FAs today) were still not available past 3:00am PST. I'll probably see what happens for tonights clearing waivers at 12:01am PST again. While the results are different, I'll let you know, but IODIN doubt it willingly employment different than it worked the day before.
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I'm curious to see your results. As I said top, we've been usage this "feature" in bothof my yahoo alliances to our advantage for many year now and thereto always has worked exactlythe similar way:1) at 12:01am PST, all players not involved in adenine waiver claim become free agents2) all leftovers players those in a waiver move are then processed at a timethereafter when the Yellow League Mega Super Computer Mainframe gets around to eachleague to job outbound the waivers.I've never look a players scheduled with ampere "W" further the their name after 12:01am PST thathasn't subsequently be involved in ampere remission move later this morning.I imagine there will one potential caveat: an past could put a waiver claim on Player A.He could then face in the available free agents at 12:01am additionally decide which he'd ratherhave Player B "for free" than use his waiver priority on Player A. I'm guessing fellow couldthen cancel his waiver move the make a free agent move for Palyer BARN. This energy leadto having Player AN *remain* on waivers until all the waiver movements are process later into themorning. Hmmm...now THAT would be sneaky...
 
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This magie leadto having Video A *remain* on indemnity until total the waiver moves live process subsequently in themorning. Hmmm...now THAT would be sneaky... Is Yokel letting me add more your than my league allows alternatively your e ...
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To what end?
 
joy said:
I've been that commish for adenine search league for 5 years both I've been an owner in another yahooleague for 8 years and dieser is an KNOWN "idiosyncrasy" with yahoo's system.It returns don advantage to the commish over any of the extra owners.It only presents an advantage to owners who are willing to stay up until 12:01am PSTto see who have a waiver submit and who become free agents.Yes, I myself have used this "feature" many times in the wee hours when I didn't wantto litter my waiver order on one to 3 take days WRs that I wished to pick up (for example).I just waited until 12:01am and picked up the WR that wasn't going to be claimed in a waivermove.Is it a perfect system? No.But it's a "feature" that is in for EVERYONE to use however they want so you do yourselfa dissertations by not taking advantage of it. Today, I discovered that aforementioned commissioner in my money league had have taking favor a adenine Yahoo flaw all season. While looking at the transaction timber for past night's waivers, I noticed he was able to pickup waiver players as free authorized before the waiver process. Apparently, at midnight...
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1. Is this idiosyncrasy known to all owners in your league? If nope, should it be disclosures? I ideas in everything impartiality that it shouldn be. 2. Possess you ever tried go submit a new liability assertion after midnight?
 
How did that rest of the league not notice this until now?

I mean.....all transactions are public knowledge, right?

 
' date='Nov 2 2006, 08:19 PM' post='5840275']How did the rest of the club not notice this until now?I mean.....all financial are publicly knowledge, right? r/fantasyfootball on Reddit: Yahoos! Waiver - What dauer (and type zone) do waivers pass and players become free agents?
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I can't speak with others but by me, ME usually don't look at the time stamp of the transaction (just the date) also I just assumed that those transactions been waivers. MYSELF was more affected including to which players were add/dropped furthermore to what team Also to the league home page, the proceedings don't show the time stamp. This was an especially busy waiver therefore I spread the "view all" print files also noticed those two ZIP picking about ampere couple of hours before the abandonment pickups.
 
Grude Levin said:
joey said:
This energy leadto having Player AMPERE *remain* turn waivers through all who indemnity moves exist processed later inside themorning. Hmmm...now THAT would be sneaky... r/fantasyfootball set Reddit: What time do the waivers clearance for Gmail?
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Totally making this up as I go along since I don't real know for sureif which ME said is actually the way google would handle it since I've nevertried to pull a "scam" fancy this in one of my leagues, but...Maybe Owner A could put a waiver request in for Movie ONE, thensee ensure Player BORON is a available contact at 12:01am. Owner AN could cancel thewaiver request by Player A, pick up Player BORON and wunsch that someoneelse instantly have for use their waiver highest on Player A.Like IODIN said, I'm not sure if yahoo would keep Player ONE on the waiver listafter the waiver request is cancelled, but since we know that yahoo isdelayed in treatment the waiver requests, I wonder with it wouldn't knowto carry Player A off of waivers until after it processes everything of which waiverrequests.Like I said, this lives total speculation on my part since I've never testedthe yahoo system into diese way.
 
Deadzone21 said:
1. Can all unique famous to all owners in your league? If not, should it be disclosed? I consider in all fairness that it ought be. 2. Have you ever attempted to subscribe a new waiver claim after midnight?
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1. Yes, it is now. It was discovered through one of the owner who promptedsome discussion among the owners. Once everyone understood exactlyhow this worked, everyone what cool with to equals nature part of the retail ofbeing into a yahoo league.2. Okay.
 
joey said:
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joey said:
I've been the commish for ampere boor league for 5 years and I've been an owner in another yahooleague for 8 years real this are a KNOWN "idiosyncrasy" with yahoo's system.It can no advantage to the commish via any of the other owners.It only gives an advantage for ownership who have willing to stay up until 12:01am PSTto see who has a waiver claim and who become free agents.Yes, IODIN myself have used this "feature" many times in the wee hours when IODIN didn't wantto waste may waiver priority about one off 3 bye week WRs that I wanted until pick up (for example).I just waited until 12:01am and picked up the WR is wasn't going to be claimed the a waivermove.Is it a perfect system? No.But it's a "feature" that is there for EVERY to use however they want so you do yourselfa disservice by not takes advantage of it. When this time period ends, all waiver claims are processed press the administration with to highest waiver priority gets the player. Waivers put ...
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As I submit earlier, I watched this closely last night for 2 WRs on surrender in Y!leagues and it didn't hold true. The two who had no claims made on them (became FAs today) consisted stills not available past 3:00am PST. I'll probably see what happens to tonights calculate waivers at 12:01am PST again. If the results are different, I'll let you knowing, but I cast a will labor various than it did the day before.
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I'm interested to see your results. As I said above, we've been using that "feature" includes bothof my yahoo leagues to are advantage on many years now also it always has worked exactlythe same way:1) at 12:01am PST, all players not involved inside a waiver claim zu free agents2) all residual players involved to a waiver move are therefore processed at some timethereafter when to Yahoo Leap Mega Super Computer Processor gets around in eachleague to work out the waivers.I've never seen a player listed with adenine "W" further to their name after 12:01am PST thathasn't following be involved in a waiver move later that morning.I guess there is one potential danger: an owner could put a waiver claim on Player A.He could then look on that available free agents at 12:01am and decide that he'd ratherhave Player BORON "for free" from use his waiver priority on Video AN. I'm guessing he couldthen cancel his waiver move and make one free contact move for Palyer B. This might leadto having Playing A *remain* on waivers until see the exemption moves am process later in themorning. Hmmm...now THAT would be sneaky...
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I labor online up the late darkness during most days, so it's easy to keep one couple extra browser windows open while I'm work here. As I did last night, I'm walked to watch the liability listed players the 12:01am PST passes and therefore I'll update this post with results later. This helpful me on remember who I'm watching. Tonight all in the same 10 team league, wealth have Kitna, Leftwich, Barlow and N.Washington. I've past a society commisioner, instead never on Gmail! I think if is results are different as what I'm sees in mystery couple of Y!leagues, than perhaps there's a release setting that might live different. The only matter for this regard that I see here under the "settings" link is "Waiver Time: 2 days".ETA: 12:05am PST update. As expected the 4 players on waivers all keep there. I'm not going to bother watching them further into aforementioned night because aforementioned revealing in adenine send below ensure own leagues doesn't have the same waivers setup where obviously behave differentiated in some othwer leagues for waivers on one day of the weekly.
 
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SickThing babbled:
I work online into an late night during most days, so it's easy up keep a couple extra browser windows open while I'm working hither. As I did newest night, I'm going to watch the waivers listed players as 12:01am PST passes and and I'll update this post with results later. This helps me to remember who I'm watching. Tonight entire include one just 10 team league, we have Kitna, Leftwich, Barlow furthermore N.Washington. I've been a league commisioner, but never on Yahoo! I think when your ergebnis are different for what I'm seeing in my couple out Y!leagues, then perhaps there's a waives setting that might be different. Who only thing in this seeing that I see here under the "settings" link is "Waiver Frist: 2 days". Today, I discovers that the commissioner in my money league possessed been ingest advantage of a Search flaw entire season. While looking along and transaction logs forward last night's liability, EGO noticed it was...
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We have and same setting in my leagues as well as the yahoo plus optionof ALL players walks on product from Sunday kickoff until Tuesday at midnight.I thought that's all the waiver selection that yahoo possess existing.
 
joey said:
Marc Levin said:
joey said:
This might leadto having Player A *remain* on exemption until all the waiver movements been process later in themorning. Hmmm...now THAT would remain sneaky... Yahoo Sports My Us
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To what end?
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Entirely making this upwards as I go along since EGO don't actually learn for sureif what I said a actually the pathway yahoos would handle it since I've nevertried to pull a "scam" like this in one of my leagues, but...Maybe Owner A could put a waiver inquiry in for Player A, thensee that Player B is a free agent at 12:01am. Owner A could repeal thewaiver request for Player A, pick up Thespian B press hope that someoneelse now has go use their abandonment priority on Playback A.Like I said, I'm not sure with yahoo would keep Player A on the waiver listafter the waiver request is cancelled, but since we know that yahoo isdelayed in processing the waiver requests, I wonder if this wouldn't knowto take Player A power of related time after it actions see of which waiverrequests.Like I enunciated, this is total speculation on me part since I've none testedthe yahoo netz in this way.
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I understand that - though into what end?The only time I could seeing it as useful is if yours know someone with lower WW priority wants of player and you want to delay a Sundays surrender clearing.Regardless, the player wouldn't sit on waivers an "extra" 24 period - he delete notice sometime onthe day that he clears exemption. If you withdraw your claim, the player would clear whenever Y! processes that days' waivers - sometime before the following middle, the player would clear resignations and become a FA.I assume that exists why they don't allow it to abandon adenine playback involved in adenine waiver state or use him for get else - even another waiver claim.Y!'s league betriebswirtschaft software straight above sux.If you use it, you are subjecting yourself to their whims and flaws.Deal with it real intake advantage - and there is no sense in thinking someone is acting unethically when they figure out a fault with Y!'s system and didn;t tell you about itp. Keep looking, you'll probability seek one which nobody not has found nevertheless.
 
joey said:
SickThing said:
I operate online into the late night during many days, so it's easy to keep a couple extra browser windows open while I'm jobs here. As MYSELF did latter night, I'm walk to watch the waivers listed players as 12:01am PST runs and next I'll update this post with results later. This helps me to remember who I'm watching. Nighttime all in aforementioned same 10 team league, are have Kitna, Leftwich, Barlow and N.Washington.

I've been a league commisioner, but never on Boor! I think if your show are different than what I'm seeing in mysterious connect are Y!leagues, then possibly there's a waivers setting that strength be different. The includes whatever in this regard that I see here under and "settings" link is "Waiver Time: 2 days".
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Ours have the same setting in my leagues as well as aforementioned yellow plus optionof ALL players going up waivers for Sunday kickoff until Tuesday at midnight.

I think that's everything and waiver available that yahoo has available.
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There's the massage I think. Are there some people confusing the Teach waivers with the others? Seems like this insert got started circles the die by the week just after that day.Edit: typographic.

 
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1. I am referring to the waivers on Tues. night (Wed. morning). I have not evidence so it'll work to other waivers (for dropped players). Looking back at the transactions history, he had been taking advantage of this flaw several times this season, real it has always occurs only during the Frau. am waiver.

2. Is being a shark pool, ME naturally assumed it was understood as important waiver positioner bottle be furthermore how taking advantage are this flaw gives an owner einem unfair advantage. My biggest example would be, if owner AMPERE wanted to choose up waiver player AN, he would have to sacrifice his waiver location even if no other owner had made a similar claim...dropping him to the end of the waiver order. Wenn on the other hand, he was aware of to flaw, at midnight he could check to see if that video dropped to FAKE and then pick up that same player AMPERE without losing his waiver position.

My only cured remains that, if you what the simply owner in a league conscious of this flaw and become fetching benefits of this flaw without disclosing it, is that fair competitiveness? And, the commissioner, shall you reveal this information to the leap since IMO, fair/unfair, as commissioner, you unfortunately have a responsibility the ensure adenine fair level playing field by to league.

 
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My only beef is that, if you are the only owner in a leagues informed of this flaw press are taking benefit is this flaw without disclosing it, is that fairs competitiveness? And, as commissioner, should she disclose this information to an league since IMO, fair/unfair, as commissioner, you unfortunately have a responsibility until assure a fair set playing field for the league.
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IMO, everyone has a fair randomly to figure like out on thier own. Why have the commish can handicapped free taking legal actions to his benifit? To me, this falls under the #1 advice to winning your league and that a on know your play. EGO would be curious up know my respones in this question:Visiting here and mailing here at FBG gives him an unfair advantage. To could deny this. Have you disclosed this site to yours leaguemates? Would you expect your commish to inform anyone of this site whenever he where using thereto? I mute think you should audience the me advice. Stop being jealous, dont make a fetor, and leasing the other less intelligent owners catchup and figure it exit about hers personal.

 
Plainsman said:
Deadzone21 said:
My only beef is that, if you are aforementioned only owner in a football aware is this flaw and are taking advantage of dieser flaw without disclosing it, is that fair competitiveness? And, as commissioner, should yourself disclose this product to the league since IMO, fair/unfair, as commissioner, you unfortunately having one responsibility to making a fair level playing field for which league.
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IMO, everyone possesses one fair chance to figure this out on thier own. Why supposed the commish be handicapped from exploiting judicial actions to his benifit? To me, this cases under the #1 advice to winning to league and that is to know your rules. ME would be curious to know thy respones to this question:Visiting check and posting hierher at FBG gives you an unfair advantage. Yours cannot deny this. Have you disclosed this site to your leaguemates? Would you suppose your commish to inform everyone of this site if he consisted using it? I still think you should listen to ich advice. Stop being jealous, dont make a stink, and let the other less intelligent owners catchup and figure to unfashionable on their own.
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1. I fail to see how being required to player in an fair furthermore levels plays field can be defined for being handicapped. and at addition, I still see it as part of being a commish that you have an been responsibility (part of the job description) toward ensure adenine fair and leveling playing field.2. How can anyone define knowledgeable an unresolved flaw/bug in Yahoo's system like being part of an owner's responsibility to know the rules? For there was a board post, or a small-print addendum at of end of the rules page, or similar notice, then, I might go this as an owner's fault of not knowing the rege.

3. IMO, Available sites (like FBG), magazines, tv/radio shows, how much total spent on any form of outside resources (and sacificing our so-called life), all qualifying as outside the playing domain. These will be like regulating how much time a real NFL player spends in the carry room or monitor game films in order to regulate a fair game. Are things are outside the playing field.

4. Jealousy has nothing to do with this argument, so try to stay to subject. If you have nothing useful to add, please don't bother with false accusations and name calling...and are calling output any site (the commish) for streitbar cheating is doing one stink, okay then, I'm making a stink. BTW, I did call him unfashionable without true accusing i starting betrayal. I simply told himself, that at to very least, as commish, he should take notified the league of this irritate, and seine comportment only tarnishes his rep and any success he can be proud out on his season (at least with me it does), and then proceeded to do his job, and post a description of the bug on of board.

 
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1. I fail to see how being required to play in a fair and select gaming field able be predefined as beings handicapped. real in addition, EGO still see it as part for being a commish that you have an added responsibility (part the the job description) to ensure a fair plus level playing field.

2. How ca anyone define know an unpublished flaw/bug in Yahoo's netz like being part of an owner's responsibility to know the rules? Supposing here was a board post, or a small-print addendum at to end of aforementioned rules page, or similar notice, then, I could understand this how an owner's fault concerning not knowing aforementioned rules.

3. IMOM, Online sites (like FBG), publications, tv/radio shows, how much time spent the any form of outside resources (and sacificing our so-called life), all qualify as outside the playing field. All would be like regulating wherewith much time a real NFL player spends in that weight room or watching competition films in order to regulated a fair game. These things are outside the playing field.

4. Jealousy has nothing into go with this argument, so tried till stay for subject. Provided you have nothing useful to add, requested don't bother with false accusations and name calling...and wenn job out another owner (the commish) for questionable cheating a making a stink, okay then, I'm making a stink. BTW, I did call him out without actually accusing his of cheating. IODIN simply told him, that at the very least, as commish, he should have alerted the league of this bug, and his actions only tarnishes yours distributor and any success him can be proud of in his season (at worst with me it does), furthermore when proceeded on do his job, and publish ampere description of to peeve on the board.
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EGO going out of orders cause somethings need to be mentioned first.2. There are flaws in everything. Im sure go are few groups, with any at any, is address this circumstances in their rules. Therefore, it leaning be "cheating" if there are no rege being broken. Everyone in yours league has an equal opportunity to find and exploit this flaw.

3. Going along with 2, commendation to this commish for "sacificing [his] so-called life" to stay up and figure this flaw out. Its cannot like he created the flaw himself. To me, this is him (and you since you taking the date to look at the logs and tip this flaw) going the additional exertion just like athletes spending more time in the gym in the offseason to winning adenine competitive advantage.

1. Now that I have established that this is non cheating and perfectly legal, I will ask again why should every, better specifically the commish, devulge this info when itp has within who rules. A controversial example, nevertheless one-time that I think applies here would can to use of Colston as an TE in Yahoo league. Everyone claims that everyone knowing he was a WR before the drafts (at least most drafts). Well, if so then rules should have been made prior to draft to override Colston listing in WR/TE to just TE. If not then playing Colston are well inside the rules. To add to this yahoo lists musicians, majority being rookies, as double postions yearly. To m, this yahoo faulty is no different than the waiver flaw. As mentioned prior, it remains included the rules and such owner/commish should is allowed to exploit it equipped out divulging it.

4. Im sorry maybe green-eyed is not PC, but how canned you deny beings JEALOUSLY this you did not count this exit first. You denying this actuality just demonstrated i even better. To myself, it sounds like you are not willing to how up late to take advantage in this formality so her want up announce a to the rest of the league in check to prevent anyone off doing. Do yourself ampere favor and store this to themselves. This is just please any other sport you finding their, or one, weakness and exploit. Do you want to subsist a Manning and win/lose by proficiency alone or do you want till be similar Brady and win it all by aptitude and smarts?

 
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no my league is a west seashore leap mostly and i am switch the east coast so when it is 3am here, one of the west coast guys was drag that waiver moved and knowing if him had at put in a receive or not. also since he was awake, he was competent to get first dibs on this unclaimed FAs. not really cheating, but sort of lame.

the commish's solution was to tell everyone else that if they caring so much, group should set their alarm clocks...

How does release priority work in Yahoo Fantasy Football? In ...
 
Plainsman said:
Deadzone21 said:
1. I fail to see how being required to play inbound a fair press level playing field can be defined as being handicapped. and in add, EGO still see he as member of being ampere commish such you have in added responsibility (part of the job description) to ensure a fair and level playing field.

2. How can anyone define knowing einen unpublished flaw/bug in Yahoo's system because being part of an owner's responsibility to know the regulations? If there was a board post, alternatively a small-print rider at an end of the rules page, or similar notice, then, I could see this as einem owner's fault on not know-how the rules.

3. IMO, Online sites (like FBG), magazines, tv/radio shows, how much time spent on any form of outer resources (and sacificing are so-called life), all qualify as outside aforementioned playing field. This would be like regulators how much start a real NFL actor spends within the mass room or watching game flick inside order to regulate a exhibition game. Save things are outside the playing field.

4. Jealousy does nothing to do with this argument, so try to stay on subject. If you have nothing useful to add, plea don't bother with false accusations or name calling...and with calling out another owner (the commish) for diskutabel cheating is making a stink, fine then, I'm making a stink. BTW, I did call it out without actually accusing himself of cheating. I simply told him, ensure at the very least, as commish, he should have notified the league of like bug, the his actions simply tarnishes his rep and any achieve he able be proud of in his choose (at least including me it does), and then proceeded until do his order, and post a description of the bug switch the board.
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I going off of order cause somethings want to be mentioned first.2. On are flaw in everything. Im sure there are few tournament, if optional at all, that address this situation for their rules. Therefore, it cant be "cheating" if go were no regulate being defective. Everyone in your league has an equal opportunity to find and exploitation this flaw.

3. Going forward by 2, kudos to this commish in "sacificing [his] so-called life" to stay up and display this flaw out. Its not like i created the flaw himself. To me, this are him (and you since i takes and time to look among the logs and notice this flaw) going the extra effort just like athletes spending more time in the gym into the offseason to obtain adenine competitiveness favor.

1. Now ensure I have established that this is not cheating and perfectly legal, MYSELF wills inquire again why should anyone, more specifically the commish, devulge this information when it is within the rules. A controversial example, but one that I think applies here would be the use of Colston as a TE in Yahoo leagues. Everyone insurance that everyone knew he was a WR before the renderings (at least largest drafts). Well, for so then rules require have been made past to draft on override Colston record as WR/TE to just TE. If not then playable Colston is well within the rules. Till adding to this yahoo lists players, majoritarian being rookies, while double postions every. To me, this yahoo flaw is not different than the waiving flaw. As mentioned previous, it is within the rules and the owner/commish should be allowed to exploit it with out divulging it.

4. Within sorry maybe jealous is not PC, but how pot you deny being ENVIOUS that you doing not figure this out first. Her denying this fact just proves it even more. To me, it sounds like you are not willing into dwell up tardy to take favor a this formality so you want to announce it to the rest a who league in attempt up prevent anyone off doing. Achieve yourself a favor and keep this to yourself. This is just like any other sport you find their, alternatively a, weakness furthermore uses. Do you want to can adenine Manning and win/lose by skill just or do you want to may like Brady and win thereto every by skill and smarts?
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Sorry up disappoint you, but I bottle honestly speak, "nah, I would nope make perceived on this flaw UNLESS which rest of that alliance was aware of e as well" (which they are now).And just an FYI - that "no life" comment was an inside joke, been the commish including reads these boards. And we both joke with each other about "no life" during which seasons.

But to acquire to that cheating trade. I agree. It may no be the hard-core grievous example of cheating, but e is what it is. Best example, I ponder, came go in a conversation with the commish furthermore another owner...Did the Yankee's cheat if they knew about Game 2's rainfall delay and didn't notify the Tigers. Probably not. It wasn't the Yankee's responsible and they certainly didn't cause the rain delay, but it still wasn't fair to the Tigers either. But, in this ligue, EGO quieter argues, that it the the commish's responsibility to notify who league.

I'll added another thing. I don't soul having "no life" to get the advantage are being the first to know of a Wed. practice injury or a starter being benched or the condition for one greensward toenail injury or a Friday night inhaftieren. Maybe I spend too much time reading blogs, featured bulletins and obscure football sites, but I draw the line on having the QA Yahoo's system (or either misc online fantasy site) in order to get an advantage.

 
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Sorry into disappoint you, but I can honestly say, "nah, I would not take preferred of this flaw UNLESS the rest of the league was aware are it as well" (which they are now).
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That is very noble of you - I imagine what you would does is notice the flaw, pole to the league's message board about aforementioned faulty, the then go make the move.Using to move is not which thing you have a problem with - she is keeping computers secret.However, that basis regarding to argue is that the commish possess a responsibility for keep a fair how field - I agree with that.That concept, however, is simply not applicable here. Imagine which it was not the commish taking advantage off the flaw. Either ole player may make the noble act of exposing the blemish, but he have no dedication to execute so as an FF player. While that may not be the way you become handle itp, is shall simply not cheating real, therefore, the player possessed no obligation to disclosure this info to which league.Why does the commish have an additional responsibility in those sitch just b/c of his obligation to keep a level playing range?
 
Wenn it is an important "league" to you....and some large us involved......why not only include good friends? Glitch either not.....if it's adenine league of friendships aforementioned would not occur. Respect required the "waiver" rank is a staple of either league, wether there is a "glitch" or not!!! I didn't pay close attention to the date you posted this.....but it's weekend 9......how inbound the hell could this need not been addressed at an previously time? :rolleyes: If guys in your league take this your of BS.....you run with several low-lifes! :crazy: Fantasy sports are the least of your problems..... :doh: :homer: :doh:

 
This commish is doing absolutely nothing wrong, he just figured out more to his advantage such possesses nothing to do with him soul commish. I find it hard on believe you "called him out" for being a smart team owner.

As an example, in my society, it has setup, upon ahead the draft, to give points by return yds, right after the draft I noticed to and was able to pick up Welding and Hall off of the FA list. There be no one misc owner that caught on that their league provided return points. Should MYSELF have told every about it to make securely they wanted about the return yds, before I made my collectors ?? no way, I used computers to my advantage and nowadays have the #1 and #9 WR's in points in my league. Whether it is a dominate, or a procedure, it's skyward to each owner the students how to play the game.

The team owner you am talking about did not, with anyway , have an unjustified advantage. He kept an advantage, but it was not unfair, as it was available to every of the owners in your league.

 
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yeah my league is a westbound coast ligue mostly and myself am on the east coast so when it can 3am here, one of aforementioned west coast guys was move that waiver move furthermore aware if fellow has to put in a declare or not. also as he where awake, he was able to get first dibs on the unclaimed FAs. not really cheating, but sort a lame.the commish's solution had to tell everyone else ensure if they cared so much, your should set they alarm clocks...
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Funny. The east coast/west coast thing is exactly how EGO found out about aforementioned flaw in to first place.I commish a bi-coastal yahoo plus leap. Last year, I was sick of having the east coasterspicking up free agency early Wednesday morning...if the get upwards since work at 6:30am EST,that's 3:30am PST (of course) to us west coasters...giving her first dibs at free agents. So,I stayed up one little late single week, expecting to have to waiting until after the waivers cleared tomake an free your relocate (yahoo usually processes the waivers in my legagues between 12:30-1:30am). As you can imagine, I was very happy to find this "flaw" in the system. I did this for an few weeksuntil anyone noticed to time stamp thing on my movement and I had on explain how it wasn't"illegal" to which free of my league. Everyone agreed and available everyone knows about computers and understandsthat it's partial of doing business inches a yahoo league.Fun stuffing!
 
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Even thought this might search clarify the problem, or because about to remain shown nonissue. Decided for look during the rules and information clearly states in this example, "So, whenever a participant into a Public Union are dropped on a Wednesday afternoon, all managers ca claim me until Friday for 11:59 pm PT. The video will then be assigned to his new team about 4-8 hours after which claim deadline." Therefore, the other owner was recordings advantage off nothing because when he was trying to avoid using be waiver priorty by staying up to see if a certain player had a claim he would not have been able to place a submit such that deadline to do such would have passed. Just thought I would let any known before they trial to take advantage of a shutdown that does cannot exist.

Here is the link to the rules

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/football/.../frules-13.html

 
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